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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2009 14:52:34 GMT -5
There is a '64 442 for sale locally, but I want to be careful about buying this car. Besides the HD suspension, dual snorkel air cleaner, 4-speed, etc., is there any helpful information you guys could share as to narrowing down the facts of whether or not this is a real 442? I have not looked at it yet, but I want to be prepared.
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Post by RAM Z on Aug 3, 2009 15:56:51 GMT -5
Only things I know to look for are the 2L on the cowl tag for the 4 speed and under the trunk lid where the 442 badge attaches will be two small perfectly round stamped holes for access to the attaching nuts. The claimed 4 door 64 442 at the Nationals last year had some hand drilled holes instead. That equals FAKE.
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Post by 65442man on Aug 3, 2009 19:58:01 GMT -5
chances are it'll be fake but if it isn't , one rare car for sure.
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Post by BR[] on Aug 3, 2009 22:09:43 GMT -5
let me know what color it is...............
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2009 22:57:36 GMT -5
Hey BR[], It is red with a red interior, and the guy claims it has all of the correct stuff. Look it up on www.ksl.com in the classifieds section under cars. It is an interesting ad. I was going to see it tonight, but I flaked out. |
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Post by Big Mike on Aug 3, 2009 23:02:34 GMT -5
Besides for the fabulous insights of both Jasen and Glenn, credit where credit is due.  If it is a fake it has the most important piece, the dual snorkel air cleaner. They sell for $2000+ if you could find one. Check out the pic to see what a real 64 dual snorkel looks like. There is another dual snorkel that is close that some fakers have tried to pass off as a 64 442’s, I think it’s for a 65 Chevelle, not sure? Here's some more info to help indentify a 64: 330 engine with #1 heads. A 1 should be cast into the front left and right rear part of the heads. The 442 engine does have a different cam that brings the HP up to 310 from 290 in stock form. (does that mean starting in 65 the 330 had the same cam?) (I have a #1 headed 330 in one of my 65 Cutlass', FYI.)They only came with a 4 speed, 4-barrel carb, dual-exhaust, front and rear sway bars. B09 option code should be found on any options listing. (Don't know if you will find any of that info.)Dual-snorkel air cleaner (as mentioned) with three 442 bands, one red "4", one orange "4", one yellow "2". The 442 air cleaner's base was the same as the single snorkel's base. The 442 emblems are located on both front fenders ahead of the wheels, and on the right rear of the trunk. Pic of Air Cleaner:  |
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Post by Big Mike on Aug 3, 2009 23:11:20 GMT -5
It is red with a red interior, and the guy claims it has all of the correct stuff. Look it up on www.ksl.com in the classifieds section under cars. It is an interesting ad. I was going to see it tonight, but I flaked out. Whoop, whoop, whoop - WARNING, WARNING, Not a real 64 442! It has "high compression "G" heads" Red flag!!!  You can seee in the picture the engine is a 350 with a quadrajet. If he really has the correct dual snorkel air cleaner, his asking price is worth it for the air cleaner. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 2:51:11 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm..... Could be the motor has been changed out but the rest is kosher.  Isn't that a 2bbl carb? My eyes are going to sh!t so I can't tell 4 sure. Is the frame one-piece just in front of the rear axle like the '65? If so, it'd be pretty easy to check! Ralph |
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Post by 65442man on Aug 4, 2009 8:46:11 GMT -5
no it's not a 2 barrel . it's a 4bbl. how do you know it's a 350 mike?
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Post by 64b09 on Aug 4, 2009 15:14:18 GMT -5
Mine and two others I've seen in person have had the same upper control arm mounts on the frame as shown here in BRO's pic  |
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Post by Big Mike on Aug 4, 2009 15:14:42 GMT -5
no it's not a 2 barrel . it's a 4bbl. how do you know it's a 350 mike? The quadrajet is a dead giveaway that it's a 350, although there were some 66 330's with Qjets as well as some late 65's. However, the Qjets on 350's have the fuel inlet on the carb at a right angle where as the older 330's with 4GC's and the early Qjets had the fuel inlet straight out from the front of the carb. Do "G" heads give any advantage on a 350 or 330 for that matter? I always thought the desired head for SBO's was the #5? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2009 16:56:02 GMT -5
If this is a real 442 it is a bargin weather the engine is correct or not and one of you guys had better jump on it before I do. Remember those show quality 50$ bumpers don't come around every day.
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Post by 64b09 on Aug 4, 2009 17:21:38 GMT -5
Hey BR[], It is red with a red interior, and the guy claims it has all of the correct stuff. Look it up on www.ksl.com in the classifieds section under cars. It is an interesting ad. I was going to see it tonight, but I flaked out. I can't find the fn thing..............or even a "cars" listing same here , do you have a direct link? |
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Post by BR[] on Aug 4, 2009 18:20:12 GMT -5
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Post by RAM Z on Aug 4, 2009 18:48:15 GMT -5
G heads will physically bolt on a small block but it will not run worth a crap. So the G head thing is a typo. 64 330s have the water pump spout on the drivers side. The engine in the pic is a 64 330.
Id check the holes for the 442 badges and the frame. 64 442 badges have the pins straight across from each other. 65 442 badges have staggered mounting pins, and so do the repro 64 badges.
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Post by bubbasz1 on Aug 4, 2009 20:13:00 GMT -5
If this is a real 442 it is a bargin weather the engine is correct or not and one of you guys had better jump on it before I do. Remember those show quality 50$ bumpers don't come around every day. Leave the $50.00 show bumper thing lie low or else I'll come have to come down to your place of residence and give you a thump. |
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Post by 64b09 on Aug 4, 2009 20:40:01 GMT -5
no it's not a 2 barrel . it's a 4bbl. how do you know it's a 350 mike? The quadrajet is a dead giveaway that it's a 350, although there were some 66 330's with Qjets as well as some late 65's. However, the Qjets on 350's have the fuel inlet on the carb at a right angle where as the older 330's with 4GC's and the early Qjets had the fuel inlet straight out from the front of the carb. Do "G" heads give any advantage on a 350 or 330 for that matter? I always thought the desired head for SBO's was the #5? I believe the G he's talking about is the part of the engine number stamped in the head ie. T#######G. It may be the original motor with a newer intake, it does still have the 64 water pump. |
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Post by 64b09 on Aug 4, 2009 20:41:09 GMT -5
AFter looking at the pic more it looks like there is a carb adapter under the qjet
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Post by Big Mike on Aug 4, 2009 22:01:19 GMT -5
64 330s have the water pump spout on the drivers side. The engine in the pic is a 64 330. Not to beat a dead horse, and pick nits, but that is not a definitive way to tell a 64 from a later engine. You can bolt on a 64 water pump to a later motor to line up with the radiator. If the engine was swapped out, you'd have to swap the 64 water pump or change out the radiator. To be sure you'd have to have the other stamping and casting numbers to really get a real final answer if it is a 64 330 or not. Still not a bad price, somebody who is close should go check it out. |
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Post by RAM Z on Aug 4, 2009 22:15:03 GMT -5
declaring it a 350 just by seeing the carb isnt very definitive either. ;D
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If it is a fake it has the most important piece, the dual snorkel air cleaner. They sell for $2000+ if you could find one. Check out the pic to see what a real 64 dual snorkel looks like. There is another dual snorkel that is close that some fakers have tried to pass off as a 64 442’s, I think it’s for a 65 Chevelle, not sure?
