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Post by RAM Z on Feb 11, 2012 20:51:30 GMT -5
So I`m guessing here that the double loop is an aftermarket to satisfy all the A body big blocks. This is all speculation, but makes perfect sense. And yes Jeff, the all you can eat walleye was OUTSTANDING, had both deep fried and pan fried. Under this crusty 400 was a double loop brake line.
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Post by RAM Z on Feb 11, 2012 21:07:34 GMT -5
Another OE double looper
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Post by RAM Z on Feb 11, 2012 21:08:56 GMT -5
How exactly are those brake lines going to work? Both front lines go up to the master from the pics, how is the rear going to hook up?
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Post by real57vetteguy on Feb 11, 2012 21:16:49 GMT -5
it al runs to a distribution block that mounts to the fire wall right under the master cylinder
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 22:02:43 GMT -5
So I`m guessing here that the double loop is an aftermarket to satisfy all the A body big blocks. This is all speculation, but makes perfect sense. And yes Jeff, the all you can eat walleye was OUTSTANDING, had both deep fried and pan fried. Under this crusty 400 was a double loop brake line. Well, I guess that throws the aftermarket speculation in a bag of shit. But, the heat riser scenario still holds water. Double loop on some, but not others makes no sense. I`m open for thoughts. Someone out there must have some thoughts on this, or people they can contact. chevelle, gto gurus? (god knows most of them think they are) You know, I`m still likeing the aftermarket, late build theory for the double loop
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Post by RAM Z on Feb 11, 2012 22:28:54 GMT -5
If you look at the bottom corner of the head you can see the elbow in the brake line. And the car was a 01A build, first week of Jan. I checked my coupe and it has a bastard line on it because of the headers, BUT it does have a line clip on that side by the A arm. Im guessing it had the double looper too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 9:37:15 GMT -5
If you look at the bottom corner of the head you can see the elbow in the brake line. And the car was a 01A build, first week of Jan. I checked my coupe and it has a bastard line on it because of the headers, BUT it does have a line clip on that side by the A arm. Im guessing it had the double looper too. I see the line (on the crusty rusty) there clear as a blue sky. But sitting here this morning with this on my mind, what we know about these lines (and none of it fact) 442 used both styles, single and double loop, but so far, all single loop lines were looped on the drivers(heat riser) side. Chevelle SS and GTO owners that I spoke to never had issue with double lines, there cars are looped on the passenger (heat riser) side. Chevelle SS and GTO owners can purchase single loop passenger side lines, 442 owners have no choice but double loop? (even though there are cars that have single drivers side) The engine crossover frame is a cookie cutter A body section so it would have holes already drilled for clips right and left, so that`s no evidence of a car one time having a double loop. You know, I could give a shit less about originality, so what the hell am I doing in this conversation. All I ask, is when I step on the brake pedal the car slows down some!!
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Post by RAM Z on Feb 12, 2012 9:52:41 GMT -5
The engine crossover frame is a cookie cutter A body section so it would have holes already drilled for clips right and left, so that`s no evidence of a car one time having a double loop. You know, I could give a shit less about originality, so what the hell am I doing in this conversation. All I ask, is when I step on the brake pedal the car slows down some!! True, but my car was built in Lansing, and they only made Oldsmobiles. That hole would be there because it was used on all the cars, but why would a clip be there? If the car had a single loop, they would not have installed a clip on the other side. Unless they liked wasting a clip a car during production. Also, all 330 cars had the line run behind the crossmember, even on the heat riser side. Whats up with that? Like I said the more we ask the more we scratch our heads.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 10:45:31 GMT -5
The engine crossover frame is a cookie cutter A body section so it would have holes already drilled for clips right and left, so that`s no evidence of a car one time having a double loop. You know, I could give a shit less about originality, so what the hell am I doing in this conversation. All I ask, is when I step on the brake pedal the car slows down some!! True, but my car was built in Lansing, and they only made Oldsmobiles. That hole would be there because it was used on all the cars, but why would a clip be there? If the car had a single loop, they would not have installed a clip on the other side. Unless they liked wasting a clip a car during production. Also, all 330 cars had the line run behind the crossmember, even on the heat riser side. Whats up with that? Like I said the more we ask the more we scratch our heads. I doubt they would waste a clip on the passenger side, probably did have a double at one time, BUT there are those that have singles that also appear to be original, yet singles aren`t available for the olds as replacements, so where did the singles come from? Singles must have been factory installed for some reason on some cars but not others. All small block cars even the SS`s lines ran behind the crossmember, big blocks all got a looped line. Big blocks are wider bringing the exhaust manifolds further out, closer to the frame rails. And being high performance added h.p., added c.i., high compression, more heat. I doubt the little 330 cars were given consideration of being abused, the big block cars with the intent of being run to the limit, combined with clearance issues, were given special considerations. I just went in the garage and looked at the f85 with the 330, heat riser/manifold comfortably below the brake line "T" mounted to the frame rail, frame clearance is comfortable, no problem for clearance running the line a little forward to the rear of the crossmember and then across to the passenger side. BUT on the big block the exhaust manifold/heat riser is scary close to the frame rail . Obvious the reasoning when you see the two side by side.
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Post by RAM Z on Feb 12, 2012 10:50:48 GMT -5
I doubt they would waste a clip on the passenger side, probably did have a double at one time, BUT there are those that have singles that also appear to be original, yet singles aren`t available for the olds as replacements, so where did the singles come from? Singles must have been factory installed for some reason on some cars but not others. Believe me Mike, Im not saying the single loop wasnt factory. My red car had a single loop on it, and it is a Fremont car. Fact is there were two different 442 lines. For what reason, we probably will never know.
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Post by oldsproject on Feb 12, 2012 11:34:44 GMT -5
For what it's worth checked the Fremont 442 and it was single loop too so both of mine were singles on the heat riser side, no extra clip. Also the replacement from supercars comes as a single. Not taking sides just presenting information. Maybe the doubles came with the factory 425's Im just saying......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 14:01:05 GMT -5
I doubt they would waste a clip on the passenger side, probably did have a double at one time, BUT there are those that have singles that also appear to be original, yet singles aren`t available for the olds as replacements, so where did the singles come from? Singles must have been factory installed for some reason on some cars but not others. Believe me Mike, Im not saying the single loop wasnt factory. My red car had a single loop on it, and it is a Fremont car. Fact is there were two different 442 lines. For what reason, we probably will never know. I understand were just having a calm, relaxed conversation here, and will probably never know the reason for single or double. Just adds to the mystique of the 442, seeing that Chevelle SS and GTO aren`t plagued with these mysteries !! Like you said, the more that`s asked about these cars, the more questions arise.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 14:09:08 GMT -5
For what it's worth checked the Fremont 442 and it was single loop too so both of mine were singles on the heat riser side, no extra clip. Also the replacement from supercars comes as a single. Not taking sides just presenting information. Maybe the doubles came with the factory 425's Im just saying...... No sides to be taken, just a conversation. But I do like the 425 thingy!! Like it a lot !! I`m guessing there might be "sides" to take if this was to become a "conversation" between a couple of car guys.
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Post by shane on Feb 12, 2012 16:43:06 GMT -5
did i hear 425 mentioned and 442 in the same sentence. I BELIEVE THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE
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Post by mongoose on Feb 12, 2012 19:32:06 GMT -5
I don't understand why the factory would want to have 3 different front brake line styles. The cost difference for the extra length of mild steel tube would be minimal... even with annual production volumes. And I would think whatever savings they'd have using single or non-loop lines would be eaten up with the costs associated with managing and maintaining separate inventories for 3 different parts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 20:36:07 GMT -5
vetteguy ; must apologize for jacking your thread, but the boss, among others, were in on it too !! Won`t happen again unless it has too
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Post by stan65cutlass on Feb 13, 2012 0:05:58 GMT -5
now tell us about the vin again? we all love a strange vin. i was confused on mine at first cuz it has too many characters, but its a canuck
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Post by real57vetteguy on Feb 13, 2012 15:14:30 GMT -5
The "3D" on the vin plate
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Post by stan65cutlass on Feb 16, 2012 9:33:11 GMT -5
The "3D" on the vin plate ah yes, 3D, i remember now, my data plate has a mystery number also, X05, didnt take long to figure out the m20 code on there though
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Post by mongoose on Feb 17, 2012 13:05:00 GMT -5
Looks awesome!
You might have the passenger side rotor on the drivers side. I could be mistaken...
To answer your earlier post... I've got the Pypes 2 1/2" stainless system with the x-pipe, and their Race-Pro mufflers. Definitely a healthy sound, but not intense... I'm not disappointed at all. I have video of it posted here... but I don't think video sound does the real sound justice... you have to hear and feel it live to really know if it's what you're looking for.
Good sound is a very relative thing to different people, so you can't say what is too much or not enough for someone else. A friend of mine has a set of 3" with a very open set of mufflers (not sure what they are, but I can ask) on his '96 Trans-Am. Too much in my opinion... vibrates the hell out of everything. If you know someone with a 3" system, I'd check it out in person before you make a decision. JMO.
On radiators, I'm running the Griffin. On headers, I bought some stainless from MPP... required a healthy dose of the hammer and torch. I'm pretty much done with MPP. I used them for so many years while Joe and Bernard were still there... it's taken me a long time for the current MPP to wear off that "shine".
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