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Post by 442rocketeer on May 15, 2016 19:28:30 GMT -5
Hi all. I was looking through some old photos of my first 65 442 and came across these 2 pictures of the engine from 1967. I'm putting them out there for reference purposes to you guys. I wish I had some more. This car had PS, PB and AT. HTH helps some of you out there.
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Post by BR[] on May 15, 2016 19:33:57 GMT -5
That IS THE TRUE COLOR
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Post by 442rocketeer on May 15, 2016 19:55:45 GMT -5
Yes that is the true engine color and it is flat not glossy.
Note the over spray on the T-stat bypass hose and the red battery cable. The red washer on the air cleaner wing nut I think I added because I thought it looked cool, but I'm not 100% sure. (see correction in post below)
There is also the coolant notice tag visible near the radiator cap.
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Post by RAM Z on May 15, 2016 21:33:04 GMT -5
Note the infamous water valve behind the air cleaner.
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Post by 442rocketeer on May 16, 2016 8:54:53 GMT -5
Correction: The red washer on the air cleaner wing nut is called a Label Clamp, and it is supposed to be red for 442 per the Assembly Manual.
442rocketeer
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Post by BR[] on May 17, 2016 6:04:04 GMT -5
None of the 65 442's in my area (back in the 60's) had a red "label clamp" and there were about 8 of us running around. They were all chromed, same as the air cleaner. Maybe it was a Fremont thing. Your pictures are of a Fremont car, right?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 7:20:36 GMT -5
Note the infamous water valve behind the air cleaner. O.K. I for one, concede.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 7:32:49 GMT -5
Note the infamous water valve behind the air cleaner. O.K. I for one, concede. Well maybe not 100%, that`s too much of a slippery slope for me. I can`t totally cave
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Post by 442rocketeer on May 17, 2016 8:18:55 GMT -5
None of the 65 442's in my area (back in the 60's) had a red "label clamp" and there were about 8 of us running around. They were all chromed, same as the air cleaner. Maybe it was a Fremont thing. Your pictures are of a Fremont car, right? That's interesting Bro. I wish I could be certain if I actually put that red label clamp on or if it came that way. I'm 50-50 on that. I will think about it. As I think about something more and more, memories come back, but it takes a long time nowadays (ha ha). It was a Lansing car going by an old registration I still have (M in the VIN). It was sold new by Cross Island Oldsmobile in Queens Village NYC NY. 442rocketeer
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Post by RAM Z on May 17, 2016 9:12:06 GMT -5
Every air cleaner Ive had the pie plate has been glued on.
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Post by BR[] on May 17, 2016 13:28:59 GMT -5
Every air cleaner Ive had the pie plate has been glued on. I totally agree Z. There was always a "squiggle" (that's a technical term) of amber colored glue under it to keep it centered correctly.
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Post by BR[] on May 17, 2016 18:12:18 GMT -5
That engine doesn't have the vent tube from the air cleaner like the Lansing built cars. It looks like both valve covers are vented like the Fremont cars. It does have a big vented oil cap instead of the top hat, but it's bigger than factory.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 19:51:36 GMT -5
On the passenger side I see the typical Lansing vent valve with the vacuum line to it, and the line (pipe) to the air cleaner snorkel. Vented oil filler tube cap (size?) But on the drivers side is what appears to be a PCV valve routed under the air cleaner housing base. Strange set up. one canceling out the other
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 19:55:48 GMT -5
That vent on the passenger side does look different somehow. But it is vacuum assist, and is connected to the snorkel.
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Post by 442rocketeer on May 17, 2016 20:37:01 GMT -5
That engine doesn't have the vent tube from the air cleaner like the Lansing built cars. It looks like both valve covers are vented like the Fremont cars. It does have a big vented oil cap instead of the top hat, but it's bigger than factory. There is a PCV valve on the pass side with a vacuum line going to the carb. It is routed as shown in the assembly manual, under the heater hose and over the wiring harness. Also a larger hose from that PCV valve goes to the snorkel. On the drivers side I don't see venting in the valve cover. I see the PB booster vacuum hose and a spark plug wire. I don't see any grommet as would be used if there was anything else there. I don't think there is any venting on the driver side valve cover. As for the oil filler cap I don't think the unvented top hat came until 1966. The 65 road test articles in the magazines do show a vented oil filler cap, and it is smaller. It is very possible I replaced the original with a larger one.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 20:43:19 GMT -5
In the first pic I see a tag attached to the radiator support full of overspray, (coolant notice?)and a painted over decal on the upper radiator bracket. Second pic, coolant notice tag appears to be missing, only a remnant of something, decal on upper radiator bracket has no paint on it First pic looks like a fresh rattle can application (overspray on coolant notice tag. and sticker on upper radiator bracket etc.) Second pic. no complete tag, no overspray on tag on sticker on upper radiator bracket.. ? I`m confused
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Post by RIP OLDS on May 17, 2016 20:46:32 GMT -5
I have a Lansing built car, and I have an old photo showing the red air cleaner cap. Fusick sells these caps in chrome, but should be painted red based on my photo and the photo above. I also happen to think the red cap looks cool. Anyone know what red to use?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 21:16:49 GMT -5
That engine doesn't have the vent tube from the air cleaner like the Lansing built cars. It looks like both valve covers are vented like the Fremont cars. It does have a big vented oil cap instead of the top hat, but it's bigger than factory. There is a PCV valve on the pass side with a vacuum line going to the carb. It is routed as shown in the assembly manual, under the heater hose and over the wiring harness. Also a larger hose from that PCV valve goes to the snorkel. On the drivers side I don't see venting in the valve cover. I see the PB booster vacuum hose and a spark plug wire. I don't see any grommet as would be used if there was anything else there. I don't think there is any venting on the driver side valve cover. As for the oil filler cap I don't think the unvented top hat came until 1966. The 65 road test articles in the magazines do show a vented oil filler cap, and it is smaller. It is very possible I replaced the original with a larger one. No PCV on passenger side, that`s a vacuum assist vent valve. Top hat filler caps were on freemont cars with pcv Lots of info on BR[] s site you`d be interested in
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Post by RAM Z on May 17, 2016 21:24:14 GMT -5
All Fremont CA built cars sold in California have the "top hat" style oil cap. No exceptions. They also used an acorn shaped breather in the passenger valve cover and a PCV in the drivers side. Mandatory option K20. Cars built in Fremont and sold outstate, i.e Oregon, will have normal Lansing parts but with a plug in the drivers side cover where PCV wouldve been.
The sticker on the top of the radiator hold down was used on every non A/C car and was blacked out on every car. No idea what the purpose was other than to cover the two square holes in the hold down.
The oil cap is bigger in the photos than the stock piece.
The car in the photos was built in Lansing. Note the blacked out data tag. Fremont masked theirs off. Fremont tags are bare metal, but some will have a bit of paint where the mask wasnt hung perfectly.
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Post by BR[] on May 18, 2016 5:19:29 GMT -5
That engine doesn't have the vent tube from the air cleaner like the Lansing built cars. It looks like both valve covers are vented like the Fremont cars. It does have a big vented oil cap instead of the top hat, but it's bigger than factory. I have to correct myself. I had to clean it up in Photoshop to see the snorkle clearly. It does look like the left valve cover has a vent or something.
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