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Post by rag on Aug 21, 2020 21:04:04 GMT -5
How do you roll back a '65 odometer to all 0's for a new restorations? My friend did it but he died before I ever asked him how he did it, bummer.
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Post by joepadavano on Aug 22, 2020 8:22:18 GMT -5
You have to take the speedo head apart and physically turn the individual wheels on the odo drum. There are thin plastic tabs that lock the wheels in place when the drum is installed in the speedo head. You must be extremely careful not to break them. And since I guarantee someone will chime in about resetting the odo, every state in the country has a place on the registration or title for certification that the odo does not indicate actual mileage. These photos are from the speedo in my 62 F85, but later ones are similar. Note that the tabs on the early odo drums are metal and obviously are not as fragile as the later ones.
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Post by island65cruiser on Aug 22, 2020 8:32:48 GMT -5
Unless your state title says "Exempt" in the mileage box, don't do it until you get written permission from DMV to do it. It is technically a violation of Federal law to alter mileage on a motor vehicle unless the title is marked " "Exempt" or "True mileage unknown" by DMV. If it is allowed in your state, it can be done with a dental pick, or disassembled and re-assembled. If it is close to 100,000 miles you can put the speedo cable in a drill and slowly spin it past one hundred to zero. Best way is to send it to someone like Classic Instruments and pay for it to be professionally refurbished.
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Post by joepadavano on Aug 22, 2020 8:36:47 GMT -5
Unless your state title says "Exempt" in the mileage box, don't do it until you get written permission from DMV to do it. It is technically a violation of Federal law to alter mileage on a motor vehicle unless the title is marked " "Exempt" or "True mileage unknown" by DMV. If it is allowed in your state, it can be done with a dental pick, or disassembled and re-assembled. If it is close to 100,000 miles you can put the speedo cable in a drill and slowly spin it past one hundred to zero. Best way is to send it to someone like Classic Instruments and pay for it to be professionally refurbished.
Wow, that didn't take long...
Guess what? If the speedo needs to replaced, the new one has 000000 on the odo and doesn't show actual mileage. Do you really think that you have to ask "mother may I?" from the DMV to replace a speedo? And no, you don't indicate "Exempt", you check the box that says "indicated mileage does not reflect actual". I suspect the exact wording varies by state.
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Post by rag on Aug 22, 2020 8:42:07 GMT -5
Thanks, the '65's are metal also and I've tried but still can't seem to get it done, like working with a Rubic's Cube! Cylinders keep catching on the metal rings with the tabs on them and can't separate the cylinders from the metal tabs/rings enough to fully rotate them.
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Post by rag on Aug 22, 2020 8:45:01 GMT -5
DMV can kiss my ass, all my titles say "not actual mileage" and/or "mileage in excess of mechanical limits".
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Post by island65cruiser on Aug 22, 2020 9:02:20 GMT -5
Joe, You don't have to ask anyone, but if you don't do it by the book, and sell the car to someone who gets buyers remorse and claims fraud, you could wind up getting visited by the feds. I don't live there anymore, but I lived in NY years ago, and know people whose cars were seized for that. I also knew a speedo tech who went to federal prison for spinning clocks for car wholesalers. In this litigious society, better safe than sorry. All states vary. Florida marks antique titles (over 30 yrs. old) as Exempt. AZ requires you to note "True mileage Unknown" on the title if you alter or replace the speedo. They check mileage on annual vehicle inspections in AZ. Some states no longer issue titles on vehicles over twenty years old and are Bill of sale only. I am sure, as you note that every state is different, but an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure. what's one more piece of paper in the file? My current titles are all marked "Exempt" by DMV.
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Post by joepadavano on Aug 23, 2020 7:31:40 GMT -5
Joe, You don't have to ask anyone, but if you don't do it by the book, and sell the car to someone who gets buyers remorse and claims fraud, you could wind up getting visited by the feds. I don't live there anymore, but I lived in NY years ago, and know people whose cars were seized for that. I also knew a speedo tech who went to federal prison for spinning clocks for car wholesalers. In this litigious society, better safe than sorry. All states vary. Florida marks antique titles (over 30 yrs. old) as Exempt. AZ requires you to note "True mileage Unknown" on the title if you alter or replace the speedo. They check mileage on annual vehicle inspections in AZ. Some states no longer issue titles on vehicles over twenty years old and are Bill of sale only. I am sure, as you note that every state is different, but an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure. what's one more piece of paper in the file? My current titles are all marked "Exempt" by DMV.
Again, "Exempt" means that the car is either over 100000 miles or has aged out of where that state cares about it. The certification box on the title or registration is where you certify that the mileage isn't correct. This only matters when you transfer ownership, not when you swap out the speeto.
I suspect that in every single state, a car over half a century old is exempt and this is a moot point. As for legal action, the problem is "intent to commit fraud". And have you EVER heard of a private party that was prosecuted for this (or emissions violations) under federal law? No. They don't care about one person. The law is written to go after businesses. This is like when Boyd Coddington's shop got into trouble for playing with VINs. The case had nothing to do with VINs, it was all about intent to commit fraud by using older VINs to circumvent emission requirements on new-build street rods.
And let me be brutally frank here. If a buyer is about to drop serious coin on a "low mileage" old car and hasn't done enough due diligence to know the difference between a low mileage 50 year old car and a complete frame-off rebuild, well that person deserves to be taken.
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Post by island65cruiser on Aug 25, 2020 12:20:02 GMT -5
There's a local collector here in our town with an absolutely gorgeous Detomaso Pantera that has well over a hundred thousand on the clock. He's had it for years, and drives the hell out of it. He also claims it is the only Pantera around with true mileage, as he follows the market, and sees the other cars repeatedly come up for sale with artificially low mileage, year after year. Truth is, if it's a fun car, who cares. If you put it out there as a valuable, special piece, it had better be with every "T" crossed and every "I" dotted. Was it Seinfeld, or some other celebrity who just had to buy back a very expensive Porsche Spyder, because the buyer found a minor defect in the title, sued, and reversed the deal. My original point was, better safe than sorry. In the end, none of this answer's rag's original question, of how to do it.
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Post by BR[] on Aug 25, 2020 14:46:22 GMT -5
Ta DUH? Metal tabs between on the 65. Starting at the 10ths (NOTE the angle of the tabs in relationship to where the numbers face the hole in the speedo) Zero the tenths wheel, now rotate the first black wheel while holding the white wheel noting that each revolution changes the number by 1 higher or lower. When you get to 0, AND THE TAB IS IN THE RIGHT POSITION now move to the second wheel and do the same thing. (hold the first tab in position) Now repeat and keep moving right to left holding all of the set wheels until you have all 0's. I happened to have a speedo apart and thought I would give it a try.
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Post by joepadavano on Aug 26, 2020 8:07:45 GMT -5
Starting at the 10ths (NOTE the angle of the tabs in relationship to where the numbers face the hole in the speedo) Zero the tenths wheel, now rotate the first black wheel while holding the white wheel noting that each revolution changes the number by 1 higher or lower. When you get to 0, AND THE TAB IS IN THE RIGHT POSITION now move to the second wheel and do the same thing. (hold the first tab in position) Now repeat and keep moving right to left holding all of the set wheels until you have all 0's. I happened to have a speedo apart and thought I would give it a try.
Yes, I should have mentioned that, thanks. You have to start at the low end and rotate the wheels in sequence.
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Post by rag on Aug 29, 2020 18:56:56 GMT -5
Figured out the details on my own, success....
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