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Post by dolzinnig on Feb 10, 2011 12:02:25 GMT -5
Hardtop and sedan 442s got the open channel frame with the muilt hole upper mount standard. Just like the 65s did. There were 4 frames in 65, 442/non442/vert/vert442. I reckon there was the same in 64. I understand the differences between the standard hardtop/sedan frame and the hardtop/sedan 442 frame. I also understand that the 442 convertible frame was boxed. Can someone explain what the difference is between the hardtop/sedan 442 frame and a standard convertible frame? Maybe an extra mounting point so support the body? I'm mainly interested in the front third of the frame where it starts to turn in forward. thanks, Grant |
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Post by stan65cutlass on Feb 10, 2011 12:10:09 GMT -5
all vert frames were boxed down the sides, no hardtop,sedan frames were boxed down the sides
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Post by RAM Z on Feb 10, 2011 13:04:12 GMT -5
vert frame is boxed. Standard hardtop/coupe frame is not boxed, but the boxed frame (vert) was optional. So you could get a hardtop 442 with a boxed frame, if it was optioned with one.
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Post by bubbasz1 on Feb 10, 2011 14:08:19 GMT -5
Hardtop and sedan 442s got the open channel frame with the muilt hole upper mount standard. Just like the 65s did. There were 4 frames in 65, 442/non442/vert/vert442. I reckon there was the same in 64. I understand the differences between the standard hardtop/sedan frame and the hardtop/sedan 442 frame. I also understand that the 442 convertible frame was boxed. Can someone explain what the difference is between the hardtop/sedan 442 frame and a standard convertible frame? Maybe an extra mounting point so support the body? I'm mainly interested in the front third of the frame where it starts to turn in forward. thanks, Grant Grant, From the box's forward(the point that starts at the cowl, it is also the point that is welded to the frame rails) their basically no difference other than the extra reinforcements that are welded in by the engine perch. If you look at my frame posting you will see that section. What are you after?? Send me an email, if you have a specific question we can talk it over. I have a little experiance with that part of the frame. |
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Post by dolzinnig on Feb 10, 2011 15:54:16 GMT -5
For some reason I thought I saw a posting (from Stan) somewhere saying his frame was not boxed, but I must have read that wrong.
I have my 442 frame sitting next to a standard holiday coupe frame right now. I'm finding a lot of differences. Tomorrow or Saturday I'll take a bunch of pictures and post the differences I find.
-grant
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Post by pikecoolds on Feb 10, 2011 18:07:15 GMT -5
i can provide detailed pics of my cutlass vert frame, I have the body off. What areas do you want? I still have engine and trans in it though.
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Post by pikecoolds on Feb 10, 2011 18:35:39 GMT -5
Does this help, I had this shot available  I can get whatever picture, just let me know. |
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Post by pikecoolds on Feb 10, 2011 18:52:11 GMT -5
another shot of box frame, passenger side. ignore the frame bushing, it is just laying there for no reason, I was taking a break from cleaning the frame and took pictures  |
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Post by pikecoolds on Feb 10, 2011 19:07:38 GMT -5
notice single position mounting of lower control arm. This a Cutlass Convertible.  |
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Post by stan65cutlass on Feb 10, 2011 19:12:42 GMT -5
yes grant , that is correct my frame is not boxed. the verts were boxed on an angle, that pic above is a vert frame, the 442's didnt come with a vert frame because of the weight, so they opted to strengthen the standard frame
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Post by BR[] on Feb 10, 2011 19:16:06 GMT -5
"notice single position mounting of lower control arm. This a Cutlass Convertible."
All the lowers are single position...........
Only the frame end of the upper can have 2 positions .........
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Post by pikecoolds on Feb 10, 2011 19:27:39 GMT -5
Sorry Bro, I thought I had a good pic. I noticed after I sent I had screwed up. I only made it 9 minutes before you noticed . haha I will have to go out and take another picture now.
I sat through 2 hours of "Making first and Last impressions" training today, So I am a little brain dead.
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Post by bubbasz1 on Feb 10, 2011 20:34:52 GMT -5
This is what Steve meant to show. See all the holes on the frame mount of the upper control arm, BTW the frame is hanging upside down.  |
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Post by dolzinnig on Feb 10, 2011 21:42:25 GMT -5
yes grant , that is correct my frame is not boxed. the verts were boxed on an angle, that pic above is a vert frame, the 442's didnt come with a vert frame because of the weight, so they opted to strengthen the standard frame Stan, for some reason I've got it stuck in my head that you have a convertible. Thanks for the pictures guys. So the front of a convertible frame is not the same as a 442 frame. I assume it does not have the gussets in the front and it's more like the standard frame. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 22:04:14 GMT -5
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Post by RAM Z on Feb 10, 2011 22:15:10 GMT -5
the 442's didnt come with a vert frame because of the weight, so they opted to strengthen the standard frame Stan, my first post in this thread. |
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Post by bil on Feb 11, 2011 4:03:54 GMT -5
Looks like we need a simple chart for this. One quick question-what are the extra holes in the rear bracket for? ---bil
Never mine-i see the whole hole explanation in another thread below.
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Post by bubbasz1 on Feb 11, 2011 5:49:49 GMT -5
yes grant , that is correct my frame is not boxed. the verts were boxed on an angle, that pic above is a vert frame, the 442's didnt come with a vert frame because of the weight, so they opted to strengthen the standard frame Stan, for some reason I've got it stuck in my head that you have a convertible. Thanks for the pictures guys. So the front of a convertible frame is not the same as a 442 frame. I assume it does not have the gussets in the front and it's more like the standard frame. I don't know about the gussets on a standard vert frame, maybe Pikeccolds or somebody can comment on that. |
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Post by RAM Z on Feb 11, 2011 7:46:16 GMT -5
Looks like we need a simple chart for this. One quick question-what are the extra holes in the rear bracket for? ---bil Never mine-i see the whole hole explanation in another thread below. bro has all the info and part numbers on his frame page. Its been there for a looong time. 442restoration.homestead.com/442BRO_Frames.html |
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Post by bil on Feb 11, 2011 11:44:44 GMT -5
Thanks. His site has everythink,bugt it ha s soooo much info,I get sidetracked and forget what I was looking for,and read a bunch of stuff I will forget before I remember.  But I am very thankful that someone with all that knowledge went to all the work to put it together and share it with us.Thanks,BRO! ---bil |
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But I am very thankful that someone with all that knowledge went to all the work to put it together and share it with us.Thanks,BRO! ---bil