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Post by island65cruiser on May 3, 2020 10:19:05 GMT -5
I have this crazy idea to build a replica 1965 Olds "Apprehender,", police car, which is basically a 4 door sedan 442 in a plain brown wrapper. It would have to be the ultimate sleeper. Has anyone ever seen one, or does anyone have actual photos of one? Curious about trim, interior, etc. From what I have read it is just a stripper sedan body on a 442 frame and running gear with no 442 badging. Thanks.
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Post by joepadavano on May 4, 2020 9:00:32 GMT -5
You could get RPO B01 or B07 Police Apprehender packages on any body style or trim level offered in the F-85/Cutlass line for the 1965 model year, except that you could not order B07 on wagons. I assume this had something to do with the rear sway bar, since that is really the only difference between B01 City Apprehender and B07 Highway Apprehender - the latter included the rear sway bar.
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Post by island65cruiser on May 4, 2020 16:46:42 GMT -5
So is it fair to say the B07 is identical to a 442 in drive train and chassis? Do you have any actual pictures of any B07 or B01 cars from GM advertising? What I found on line suggests that only the Jetaway was offered in the 1965 police car, no more 4 speed. Is that true?
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Post by joepadavano on May 4, 2020 17:31:46 GMT -5
RPO B07 used the same springs, shocks, and sway bars as the 442. The drivetrain was not necessarily the same, however. B07 (and B01) cars could be ordered with any engine available in the civilian models - V6, L65 2bbl 330, or L74 4bbl 330. In addition, "authorized" agencies could also order the L76 4bbl 330 and the L77 400 motor. The latter was essentially identical to the 442 motor. Interestingly, if L77 was ordered, the F35 HD frame was also mandatory (which was not the case on the 442). These cars looked just like the corresponding civilian model - there was no differentiating external identification. B01 and B07 cars could be ordered with HD Jetaway (M32/M34) or three speed manual transmissions with HD clutch. Attached is the page from the 1965 Inspectors Guide.
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Post by Big Mike on May 5, 2020 8:41:39 GMT -5
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Post by joepadavano on May 5, 2020 10:53:44 GMT -5
I’ve wanted to do this also for many years.
Mike,
Didn't you post the 1965 Police Apprehender SPECS page at one time? I've been trying to find that to add to this post and have failed miserably.
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Post by Big Mike on May 6, 2020 8:06:55 GMT -5
Joe, is this what you were looking for?
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Post by joepadavano on May 6, 2020 8:12:48 GMT -5
Joe, is this what you were looking for?
That's it. Thanks.
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Post by island65cruiser on May 6, 2020 20:08:27 GMT -5
Thanks to all for the detailed info. We did several antique police and fire vehicle restorations in our body shop in Arizona. No problem finding restored emergency lights and sirens. It would be nice to grab a picture of one somewhere, someday. I've got the Jetaway, maybe if I put it on the shop floor and water it, something will grow around it over the next couple of years. I found a few bodies but they were all junk.
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Post by joepadavano on May 7, 2020 8:41:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure what pictures you are looking for. The actual fitment with emergency equipment would be unique to each PD. The cars as delivered from the factory just looked like any other Cutlass.
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Post by RAM Z on May 7, 2020 12:29:28 GMT -5
Apprehender cars were not available with a V6. All cop cars had v8s. Only cars that could get the 400 were F85 coupes and Sedans. Meaning a Cutlass was relegated to the 330. So one could order a standard F85 4 door sedan with the highway apprehender package and spec it with a 400 and a 4 speed. I’m gonna speculate no one ever did this.
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Post by familyrides1965 on May 7, 2020 17:26:32 GMT -5
For those that had the stomach to watch, I believe silence of the lambs had a 65 f85 4dr police car wannabe in it. Not the real thing but might give you some more motivation
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Post by joepadavano on May 8, 2020 7:44:47 GMT -5
Apprehender cars were not available with a V6. All cop cars had v8s. Only cars that could get the 400 were F85 coupes and Sedans. Meaning a Cutlass was relegated to the 330. So one could order a standard F85 4 door sedan with the highway apprehender package and spec it with a 400 and a 4 speed. I’m gonna speculate no one ever did this.
The page from the Inspectors Guide I posted shows that B01 and B07 were available on the six cylinder 333xx and 335xx series cars, just not the wagons. You are correct that B07 was not available on the Cutlass 338xx cars, but the Inspectors Guide shows that the L77 motor was available in the 338xx cars with B01.
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Post by RAM Z on May 8, 2020 9:27:04 GMT -5
I found the police section in the assembly manual last night. So cars that had a standard V6 could get the police option on that model. And F85 B01s could get the 400. I guess a V6 could have appealed to a small town patrol unit. It’s a confusing and redundant option list. Probably why no police agency’s ordered them.
The CHP had contracts with Chrysler forever and decided to change in 1967 to Olds. It was a one time deal.
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Post by joepadavano on May 9, 2020 7:54:17 GMT -5
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Post by familyrides1965 on May 9, 2020 19:13:58 GMT -5
You guys are starting to get me thinking about trying to build one....eventually
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Post by island65cruiser on May 11, 2020 18:17:55 GMT -5
Surprised so many people weighed in on this. The wheels are turning. As the supply of coupes is drying up, I may want to do one of these. It would have to be as much fun as a 442 to drive, 400 and a four speed, and when you factor in the sleeper value, way more. I was thinking of doing a CHP style build, Black, no roof lights in those days, just red lenses in the spot lights, and two rear facing fixed spotlights on the package tray, in red and amber side by side on the driver's side. You would need to have one of those long whip antenna for the HF two way radio on the big spring mount that could be pulled down and clipped to the rain gutter to enter a garage. So ugly it would be beautiful.
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Post by Big Mike on May 12, 2020 7:20:37 GMT -5
Surprised so many people weighed in on this. The wheels are turning. As the supply of coupes is drying up, I may want to do one of these. It would have to be as much fun as a 442 to drive, 400 and a four speed, and when you factor in the sleeper value, way more. I was thinking of doing a CHP style build, Black, no roof lights in those days, just red lenses in the spot lights, and two rear facing fixed spotlights on the package tray, in red and amber side by side on the driver's side. You would need to have one of those long whip antenna for the HF two way radio on the big spring mount that could be pulled down and clipped to the rain gutter to enter a garage. So ugly it would be beautiful. I’m with you, police package F85 is the ultimate sleeper, 4-door 442. So many different options to outfitting a period squad car.
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Post by island65cruiser on May 12, 2020 9:06:14 GMT -5
Maybe a good time to start watching the Arizona/Nevada Craigslist sites for a body. After all, there's always room for just one more car, isn't there? That's why god invented four post storage lifts!
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Post by familyrides1965 on May 12, 2020 21:27:40 GMT -5
All it takes is room, time, and money....would basically be one of a kind at your local cruise night! I’ve got a pretty nice 4dr now, but too original to mod for for a project I think? It’s white exterior with aqua Interior with a/c. Haven’t went back to top of this thread to see if a/c was an available option? I guess all I need is everything 442 related and it could be a go! Or, I could try and resurrect my Lucerne Mist 4dr. Motor and interior shot, but has potential otherwise. Another a/c car though. If anybody has everything 442 related and don’t plan to use let me know. Sorry if this is a repeat question but are the frames the same length between 4dr and 2dr cars? Is a unique heavy duty frame to a 4dr?
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