Xtremejr
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Post by Xtremejr on Jun 28, 2014 19:07:02 GMT -5
My car is running, not good its missing like crazy, timing is good plugs are new, using hei distributor and coil. running edelbrock 750 cfm carb. Engine is believed to be stock and every time I fire it up gas shoots out of the carb and car bogs down and it also won't idle it will bog down and die. Im looking into rebuilding it myself unless you guys just think its too large of a carb. I was originally running HOLLEY 770 and that wouldn't even start. Drained oil and had a lot of fuel in the drain pan with both carbs. Is my problem deeper than I think?
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Post by shane on Jun 28, 2014 19:19:40 GMT -5
My car is running, not good its missing like crazy, timing is good plugs are new, using hei distributor and coil. running edelbrock 750 cfm carb. Engine is believed to be stock and every time I fire it up gas shoots out of the carb and car bogs down and it also won't idle it will bog down and die. Im looking into rebuilding it myself unless you guys just think its too large of a carb. I was originally running HOLLEY 770 and that wouldn't even start. Drained oil and had a lot of fuel in the drain pan with both carbs. Is my problem deeper than I think? Sounds like you have a used carb. I would rebuild it first.seems like there dumping to much fuel. Just my opinion the carb is to large for stock build. I read some where that the 4gc was only 550 cfms . If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me.
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Post by familyrides1965 on Jun 28, 2014 20:02:09 GMT -5
When you say shooting out the carb do you mean out the vent tube at the top? Sounds like it is just dumping fuel into it...try tapping it on the side, or take if off and shake it around a little. Float maybe hung up...how long has the carb been sitting or how old is it?
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Post by Big Mike on Jun 29, 2014 5:48:37 GMT -5
It could be a stuck float line familyrides mentioned. I also had a non stock type fuel pump go bizerk on me and did exactly the same symptoms you described. Took off the super special fuel pump and put on a stock AC pump and never had an issue after that.
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Post by mongoose on Jun 29, 2014 6:20:34 GMT -5
It does depend on where the fuel is dumping from, but as already mentioned it's likely either a stuck float in the carburetor, allowing the fuel to overfill the bowl, or a fuel pump that is pushing too much pressure (usually only possible if you have an electric pump, but Mike mentioned his issue with a mechanical pump) and overriding the float spring so it can't close, and overfilling the bowl.
You could also have two different issues with the two carbs. The Edlebrock could have a stuck float, while the Holley could of had a blown power valve.
Short of knowing where the fuel is exiting the carb, I like "Rides" idea of pulling the carb giving is a good shake as maybe the float is stuck (this could be a quick attempt at "fixing" it. The cfm of the carb is probably a bit big, but the vacuum secondary style gives you a lot of leeway, so unless you don't mind spending the money on a new carb (they ain't cheap) I think it would do fine. My opinion anyway.
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Xtremejr
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Post by Xtremejr on Jun 29, 2014 9:31:33 GMT -5
I think I will try taking it off and shaking it around. carb is old if that dosent work I will purchase a smaller carb and go from their. I do believe the holley has a blown power valve thats why I put in the edelbrock carb.
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Post by stan65cutlass on Jun 29, 2014 10:23:08 GMT -5
be careful shaking a carb or turning it upsidedown, the float tang could bend slightly causing incorrect fuel height. tapping the side of the carb with a screwdriver handle usualy does a stuck float.
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Post by BR[] on Jun 29, 2014 15:14:10 GMT -5
ETHANOL IS KILLING OUR CARS!
If your carb doesn't have new rubber parts, especially the accelerator pump.
UPGRADE!
Ethanol dries everything out.
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Post by Big Mike on Jun 29, 2014 17:49:48 GMT -5
ETHANOL IS KILLING OUR CARS! If your carb doesn't have new rubber parts, especially the accelerator pump. UPGRADE! Ethanol dries everything out. Also, untreated Ethanol gas sitting in carb bowls corrodes the inside of the carb and small chunks of crud flake off.
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Post by shane on Jun 29, 2014 19:35:57 GMT -5
ETHANOL IS KILLING OUR CARS! If your carb doesn't have new rubber parts, especially the accelerator pump. UPGRADE! Ethanol dries everything out. Also, untreated Ethanol gas sitting in carb bowls corrodes the inside of the carb and small chunks of crud flake off. What are you treating the ethanol with? The problem I'm having is if I go more then 2 weeks without running the car the fuel bowels are empty on the Holley . I assume it's evaporating .
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Post by Big Mike on Jun 29, 2014 21:08:14 GMT -5
I run a combination that was recommended to me by a marine engine guy.
Marine Sta-Bill Star-tron Staybrite. I may gotten it reversed, Staybrite Startron. (I can check for sure tomorrow)
Use the Startron as directed, and use double the dose of Marine Sta-Bil. It has to be the blue/green colored Sta-Bil, not the red. This combo will last up to a year.
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Post by mongoose on Jun 30, 2014 5:05:41 GMT -5
I think I will try taking it off and shaking it around. carb is old if that dosent work I will purchase a smaller carb and go from their. I do believe the holley has a blown power valve thats why I put in the edelbrock carb. A blown power valve is a $10 part and a 15 minute repair.
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Post by bubbasz1 on Jul 1, 2014 5:12:40 GMT -5
Also, untreated Ethanol gas sitting in carb bowls corrodes the inside of the carb and small chunks of crud flake off. What are you treating the ethanol with? The problem I'm having is if I go more then 2 weeks without running the car the fuel bowels are empty on the Holley . I assume it's evaporating . SOP for our cars, mine is always out of fuel after sitting a couple of weeks.
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Post by bubbasz1 on Jul 1, 2014 5:14:25 GMT -5
I run a combination that was recommended to me by a marine engine guy. Marine Sta-Bill Star-tron Staybrite. I may gotten it reversed, Staybrite Startron. (I can check for sure tomorrow) Use the Startron as directed, and use double the dose of Marine Sta-Bil. It has to be the blue/green colored Sta-Bil, not the red. This combo will last up to a year. A tidbit of information from Postcar on E10. www.mercurymarine.com/media/mercury/documents/2011_Fuel_Care_Webinar-2011-08-25_1.pdf
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Post by Big Mike on Jul 1, 2014 7:32:47 GMT -5
I run a combination that was recommended to me by a marine engine guy. Marine Sta-Bill Star-tron Staybrite. I may gotten it reversed, Staybrite Startron. (I can check for sure tomorrow) Use the Startron as directed, and use double the dose of Marine Sta-Bil. It has to be the blue/green colored Sta-Bil, not the red. This combo will last up to a year. A tidbit of information from Postcar on E10. www.mercurymarine.com/media/mercury/documents/2011_Fuel_Care_Webinar-2011-08-25_1.pdfWell, that's very good info and does not change what I do. Mercury is just wanting you to buy their additives. Non of the myths are anything but common sense. I would hope no one here would ever believe that additives can reclaim bad fuel, fix all, or anything else in that vane.
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Post by mongoose on Jul 18, 2014 12:44:00 GMT -5
Hey Extreme... did you get anything figured out on this? Every once in a while it's nice to hear about the final outcome.
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Xtremejr
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Post by Xtremejr on Jul 19, 2014 9:28:17 GMT -5
Well the Holley carbs power valve was not blown and the edelbrock carb runs a little better but is still missing and backfiring. Im believing the issue is more internal. The car isn't running on all cylinders so who knows. Maybe a smaller carb before pulling the motor?
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Post by BR[] on Jul 19, 2014 11:46:14 GMT -5
If it's missing and backfiring, start looking at timing or electrical. May have jumped time.
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Post by mongoose on Jul 20, 2014 6:10:57 GMT -5
I'm with Bro... I don't think a carb change is where I'd be looking at the moment. So has the car been running fine, then the issues started? Or are you just now trying to get it running? Or was it sitting for an extended period, and now it's not running right?
However, I just went back and reread your initial post, and one of the "highlight" symptoms is that "gas shoots out of the carb". Are you still having that issue? Nothing that I know of internal to the engine will cause that, so you would still need to focus on your fuel system.
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Post by shane on Aug 17, 2014 20:08:45 GMT -5
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