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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 15:18:45 GMT -5
The illustration of the side panel appears to be like mine, but the controller is different. Am I missing something?  
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Post by oldsproject on Jul 17, 2011 16:15:49 GMT -5
The bracket for your post should look like the top one in post cars pictures. It does not attach to the control arm it attaches to the car body to hold the roof rail piece in one place.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 16:50:58 GMT -5
The bracket for your post should look like the top one in post cars pictures. It does not attach to the control arm it attaches to the car body to hold the roof rail piece in one place. Both styles anchor to the inner quarter panel
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 17:05:41 GMT -5
The illustration of the side panel appears to be like mine, but the controller is different. Am I missing something?  Ok, look at the access opening in your panel, kinda like a figure 8 (kinda) Now look at the access opening for a 27 series, wider on top, narrows towards the bottom  27 series regulator, window guide (the curved piece that the lower glass guide follows), mounted to the rear of the regulator  11 series regulator window guide to the front of regulator  Now, this is an 11series car, are they inbred or what ?? I`m open for anything, any suggestions ?? 
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 17:45:25 GMT -5
Man, I don't have a clue. It appears that I have something that resembles the 11 series regulator but with a 27 series stabilizer arm that is missing. There is a hole midway in the length of my controller where I would suspect something attaches, but that's the way it was when disassembled, and the illustration of the 27 series shows that hole with nothing attached to it. Now take into account that my car had been bastardized so badly, I don't have a clue what is "supposed" to be there. I have installed a window and it seems to work okay rolling it up and down, but without seals, I can't tell if everything is aligned.
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Post by oldsproject on Jul 17, 2011 17:46:55 GMT -5
My cutlass has the same door skin as Kanskid00 with the 27 series regulator. It uses the top pictured roof rail weatherstripping and bracket in the pictures you posted. The weatherstrip bracket attaches to the slotted area in the door skin right behind the upside down L hole i it. The window guide Rail is as pictured in your series 27 regulator schematic shot. Not sure where you need to go from here. Sounds like you have the correct regulator provided it looks the one in postcars series 27 shot. Which it looks like it to me from the picture except your missing the window guide rail which I believe is a seperate piece. If thats the case, Youre missing two critical pieces though. The roof rail weatherstrip including braket and the vertical channel that guides the window up. Id ask postcar if his pieces are for sale  if it were me. Or youll need to find a donor car at one of the local junk yards. I might be able to take a trip over to Vancouver in a week or two. They have several 65s piled up but dont know if the are post, coupe, conditon or anything really.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 19:27:27 GMT -5
If postcar is interested in selling the tracks, I am surely interested in buying them, but I am concerned about one other thing. Are the felts that fit the tracks available? I haven't found anybody who makes those. If that is the case and they are unavailable, I'm probably going to have to make something myself. With what I have alreadt fabbed, I can assemble the window, but as I said, until I install the seals like I used in the door, I don't know how the guide will work, nor do I know if I'll run into a centering problem with the rear of the window as I don't have that curved channel piece.
I did call an outfit called Restoration Specialties and they claim they are going to start carrying all the tracks and seals I need in about 8 weeks.....but that could be pie in the sky.
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Post by Big Mike on Jul 17, 2011 21:34:36 GMT -5
Not sure where you need to go from here. Sounds like you have the correct regulator provided it looks the one in postcars series 27 shot. Which it looks like it to me from the picture except your missing the window guide rail which I believe is a seperate piece. If thats the case, Youre missing two critical pieces though. The guide rail is a separate piece and it is missing if you only have the regulator. You really need to have a parts car that you can sit side by side and remove the pieces you need and install to test fit until you get it right. I know that sounds a bit extreme, but it would be really hard to get all the right pieces by picture and description. There are so many little bits and pieces that are missing on your car it would be hard. As you can see from the diagrams and pics that postcar posted, yours is slightly different so a side by side would be most helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 9:32:13 GMT -5
In my part of the country, a "post" parts car is as scarce as hen's teeth. I've got the only post car in the area, as far as I know, which is why I bought this one in as bad as shape as it was. I find hardtops, have parted out two of them, but post cars are hard to find. Obviously, I'm missing the (b) and (c) run channels in postcar's 27 series illustration, and it appears I'm missing brace (d). I'm assuming the hole in my controller arm is where that brace attaches. My car is far from being "as the General built 'er", and I'm not concerned about that, just want the window to roll up and down....and seal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 11:02:27 GMT -5
You think your missing "B" "C" & D"" Give me some time, I`ll throw a pic together. Nothing gets bolted to the lift arm of the regulator. Only the glass lift channel gets pinned at the outer end of the lift arm.
My central air went "tits-up", soon as I get it brazed and re-charged I`ll be back
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 11:44:25 GMT -5
I agree, I think I'm just missing b and c....and I was pretty sure the only place the lift channel is attached to anything is at the outer end of the arm. I know I didn't remove any parts from those things when I tore the car apart, but s**t happens!
Man, I'm sorry about your central air, if you've got the kind of heat we've got here! It hasn't been below 100 degrees for about three weeks, mostly between 106 and 111. Hottest, driest summer we've had in ages, actually it's been almost drought-like since last fall. We really need moisture; everything is parched. Neighbors are cutting their corn for silage, no kernels on the cobs. I've got cracks in my yard you can easily trip yourself in. I don't have ac in my shop, just 5 paddle fans, and by about 2:30 in the afternoon, it's time to call 'er quits!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 14:01:41 GMT -5
O.K. oldsproject and kanskid, figure out if this is what you think you have. This is the illustrated 27 series. There`s nothing else in the quarter cavity, just this stuff, laid out as pictured. K-kid, "D" is the guide rail that the nylon notched guide attached to the bottom of the glass follows as the glass goes up/down. It`s not a brace.  If nothing else, this thread has gotten me used to photobucket I guess, hotter than hell here too, humidity is like crazy. The water comin out of my A/C sounds like a horse pissin on a flat rock !!
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Post by RAM Z on Jul 18, 2011 14:09:09 GMT -5
Lots of good pics and info in this one so I sticky'd it for future reference.
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Post by Big Mike on Jul 18, 2011 15:16:27 GMT -5
KansasKid, everything in that pic from Postcar can be had from a 64-65 Cutlass (obviously) and a 64-65 Pontiac, GTO or Tempest and a Buick as well (Special, GS Skylark). If I'm not mistaken the Chevy's glass runs and channels, etc. are different and won't interchange, but I could be wrong. I checked my Hollander's manual, but they don't list quarter panel parts like you are looking for, at least my version doesn't. However, I checked the door window regulators which they do list and the door regulators are all the same for all A-bodies including Chevelles. As a matter of fact the door window regulators for a 64-65 B-O-P A-body will even work in a 64-67 Chevelle. So my guess would be that regulators and similar window guide parts will interchange for all A-bodies as well. I do know for a fact that the entire greenhouse (everything above the doors including the front and rear windshields and the attaching front and rear panels (cowl areas) from a 64-65 Pontiac A-body is the same. Hollander's also shows that the roofs for the Buick's are the same as well for the post cars, but there are a couple of differences in the glass and other parts for the Buick's where as the Pontiac's are the same as the Olds, again, for post cars.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 15:57:26 GMT -5
"""KansasKid, everything in that pic from Postcar can be had from a 64-65 Cutlass (obviously) and a 64-65 Pontiac, GTO or Tempest and a Buick as well (Special, GS Skylark). """ Damn, and here I thought I had something rare, oh well, back in the rafters !! The way it sounds you probably can`t cross the street without trippin over this stuff ! Big Mike, possibly you could explain my 33427 car having inner quarter panels like these pictured below and not like K-kids car  And the upper fuzzies mounting different, (bottom one) I parted one car with this style, and my car has them in it. My inner quarter skins were cut out, but the channels and fuzzys were still intact. The first post car I parted had inner panels like k-kids has, nothing lined up to my "guts" a post f-85 442 parts car I purchased from a resto shop in Longview texas(they used it as a doner car for a 442 I misspoke about IT being a 442) had the same skins and guts as needed for mine, The lower mount is not the only difference in the "fuzzy" channel, the pops are in different locations, which means the dimples in the roof channel are in different locations.  I still say it can only mean ONE thing ;D 425
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 16:42:19 GMT -5
My problem is that I don't have ANY of the stuff in the picture, except the controller, but it is what I NEED! The lower edge of my quarter windows does not have the piece of metal that the guide rail runs thru as it guides the window, and my controller doesn't have that guide rail. I assume the metal piece is mounted to that lower window edge bracket. Someone could have removed the guide rail, but I don't have any holes in my inner panel where it would look like they had been mounted. I have two sets of quarter windows and neither have that metal bracket on their bottom edges.
I tried to install my quarter windows today, using the fabbed stuff I built. It would work, I think, but to get the window to glide up and down in the vertical channel, I would need to remove the nylon guide on the top front edge of the window, as I used door/vent channel as a vertical channel. The nylon block is too wide with the seal in place; that channel uses a one-piece rubber/felt seal. The glass would then ride on the chrome front edge. Obviously, it would work better with the right parts.
Postcar, are you interested in selling the front vertical pieces and the top/slanted pieces? I think it would work okay if I used those pieces. Only problem then is being able to buy new felts for the vertical piece. I believe the door/vent seals would work for the top and slanted piece. What do you guys think?
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Post by Big Mike on Jul 18, 2011 17:00:49 GMT -5
"""KansasKid, everything in that pic from Postcar can be had from a 64-65 Cutlass (obviously) and a 64-65 Pontiac, GTO or Tempest and a Buick as well (Special, GS Skylark). """ Damn, and here I thought I had something rare, oh well, back in the rafters !! The way it sounds you probably can`t cross the street without trippin over this stuff ! Big Mike, possibly you could explain my 33427 car having inner quarter panels like these pictured below and not like K-kids car and the upper fuzzies mounting different, (bottom one) I parted one car with this style, and my car has them in it. My inner quarter skins were cut out, but the channels and fuzzys were still intact. The first post car I parted had inner panels like k-kids has, nothing lined up to my "guts" a post f-85 442 parts car I purchased from a resto shop in Longview texas(they used it as a doner car for a 442 I misspoke about IT being a 442) had the same skins and guts as needed for mine, The lower mount is not the only difference in the "fuzzy" channel, the pops are in different locations, which means the dimples in the roof channel are in different locations.
I still say it can only mean ONE thing ;D 425 Ha, you gave me a good laugh with that one! I have found that The General used whatever pictures they had on hand for manuals that would work and do not necessarily correlate to what you are working on at all. My guess is that almost all of us could take apart our cars and not find that picture you posted. I would not put those parts away. Box them up and get some shipping quotes for Kansas!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 17:42:36 GMT -5
AMEN! I have run into those kinds of differences in manuals myself. I bought an assembly manual online a while back so I could see how things were supposed to be put together........since my car was such a bastardized POS when I bought it.....and what I had was nothing like what was shown in the manual, in some cases, so I started treating it like I did my '40 Chevy when I built it, and just put things together to work, not necessarily as the General intended them. Got along pretty good since. My car had had a Chevy motor in it (you wouldn't believe the globs of weld holding the motor mounts in place), had had so many different transmissions in it that the trans tunnel was almost non-existent, had front springs baling-wired in place for rear springs, lower trailing arms welded solid to the rearend housing for makeshift traction bars. Wadda pig! Where do ya start with something like that?....from scratch, that's where. Plus the car had laid in the dirt for so long, the front brake hubs were rotted completely thru! But as I said before, post cars are so scarce around this part of the country, I thought it was worth saving. I've parted out two 442's and a Cutlass to get the parts I needed. Been quite a ride.
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Post by oldsproject on Jul 18, 2011 19:15:43 GMT -5
O.K. oldsproject and kanskid, figure out if this is what you think you have. This is the illustrated 27 series. There`s nothing else in the quarter cavity, just this stuff, laid out as pictured. K-kid, "D" is the guide rail that the nylon notched guide attached to the bottom of the glass follows as the glass goes up/down. It`s not a brace.  If nothing else, this thread has gotten me used to photobucket I guess, hotter than hell here too, humidity is like crazy. The water comin out of my A/C sounds like a horse pissin on a flat rock !! Nailed it!! That is exactly what Ive been trying to explain from the first post. Guess my en ga leash aint so good ;D
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Post by RAM Z on Jul 18, 2011 20:08:31 GMT -5
My coupe is like Kids.
Ive noticed some captions in 65 books are 64 cars. I do know 64 hardtop glass is different than 65 hardtop glass. Maybe post car glass is different too. And some cars, I think 64s, had a sheetmetal cover over that hole. Now that I think of it, thats probably a 64 car in the manual pic.
Paging 64 post car owners for verification.
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