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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2011 18:55:23 GMT -5
I'm looking for someone who has had to replace the quarter window channels in a '65 post car. My car was minus them when I got it, so don't know exactly what they look like, but cannot find any business that repops them. I'm told I'll have to make something, if I can't find some from a parts car. I'm assuming there is a "C" shaped metal channel(s) which attach to the window frame and the rubber/felt seals mount in them. If so, I'm guessing I can use the rubber seals for the door glass in them. I can find aluminum "C"-shaped pieces, but is straight and would have to slot the sides to create the curve to fit the frames. If anyone has built these channels, please contact me or send pics. Thanks.
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Post by 64cutlassken on Jul 14, 2011 22:03:10 GMT -5
I'm looking for someone who has had to replace the quarter window channels in a '65 post car. My car was minus them when I got it, so don't know exactly what they look like, but cannot find any business that repops them. I'm told I'll have to make something, if I can't find some from a parts car. I'm assuming there is a "C" shaped metal channel(s) which attach to the window frame and the rubber/felt seals mount in them. If so, I'm guessing I can use the rubber seals for the door glass in them. I can find aluminum "C"-shaped pieces, but is straight and would have to slot the sides to create the curve to fit the frames. If anyone has built these channels, please contact me or send pics. Thanks. I have parted out two posts, they are 64's tho. I have saved all the windows trim and everything, do you have a pic of what you need? I can take some pics for you and see if anything will work for you. Ken
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 10:47:51 GMT -5
Ken, I don't have anything to show you as all the stuff was missing on my car. I'll attach a pic of the channel. Whatever goes in there is what I'm needing. I'd think '64 windows would be the same as mine, but don't know for sure. Thanks.
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Post by Big Mike on Jul 15, 2011 11:12:03 GMT -5
Ken, I don't have anything to show you as all the stuff was missing on my car. I'll attach a pic of the channel. Whatever goes in there is what I'm needing. I'd think '64 windows would be the same as mine, but don't know for sure. Thanks. Yep, they should work just fine. So would parts from a 64-65 Leman's/GTO and Buick too if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 11:25:57 GMT -5
Big Mike, I would guess like you did, that those other cars' quarter windows should be pretty similar to mine, but not savvy enough to say for sure. But I also thought the rear headliner trim would be the same as other cars of the same year, but found out that the Olds has a 3" taller rear window than the others, so always something new to learn......!
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Post by 64cutlassken on Jul 15, 2011 15:33:38 GMT -5
Ken, I don't have anything to show you as all the stuff was missing on my car. I'll attach a pic of the channel. Whatever goes in there is what I'm needing. I'd think '64 windows would be the same as mine, but don't know for sure. Thanks. I sorta figured that, just thought I would try. im going to be out of town for a week. I will get some pics of what I have and send them to you. my email is: thefivebrowns@q.com if you want to send me pics or info you can send it email if you would like, then I wont forget to look here when I get back. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 16:49:27 GMT -5
Sounds like a good idea......will do. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 20:16:03 GMT -5
I'm looking for someone who has had to replace the quarter window channels in a '65 post car. My car was minus them when I got it, so don't know exactly what they look like, but cannot find any business that repops them. I'm told I'll have to make something, if I can't find some from a parts car. I'm assuming there is a "C" shaped metal channel(s) which attach to the window frame and the rubber/felt seals mount in them. If so, I'm guessing I can use the rubber seals for the door glass in them. I can find aluminum "C"-shaped pieces, but is straight and would have to slot the sides to create the curve to fit the frames. If anyone has built these channels, please contact me or send pics. Thanks. This is a BIG maybe, but I may have a few sets of quarter glass channels and guides stuffed away. there were two different designs for 65, not sure about 64. Can`t remember the difference either, but I`m pretty sure either can be used in both 64 65. I`m thinking the difference was in the regulators and the tin work where the regulators mount. I`ll know better once I find them, then the light will come on again ( I remember writing some notes and throwing them in the box with the parts) I`m all tied up this weekend, I`ll look Monday If I remember, the top section that slopes downward as it goes towards the rear is a sealing channel, the front vertical channel is a guide channel since the glass doesn`t arch to the rear as it goes down, but the upper front corner of the glass has a nylon guide that rides in the vertical channel. does your glass still have the chrome trim on the forward edge with the nylon guide on the top ? Hope this all made some sense, I do tend to ramble, where are you from? Kansas ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2011 16:19:39 GMT -5
postcar: I'll tell you something......I have talked to every restoration outfit I can find about these damn channels, and I swear, I know more than they do....that scares me. You make a lot of sense in how you're describing the windows. My car does have the chrome on the front edge of the window with the plastic guide. When I tore the car apart, I didn't pay too much attention as to how those windows mounted and just threw the stuff in a box. Does the window itself only attach in one place on the controller and is held in place by an "E" ring, and the front edge with the plastic guide rides in the vertical channel? I don't remember them being that simple. I parted out a couple of hardtops and their quarter windows are a nightmare of brackets and crap.................and yes, I'm in Kansas.
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Post by oldsproject on Jul 16, 2011 17:31:52 GMT -5
Will post some pictures for you in about an hour or so. The verticle channel is a special piece that has a section the plastic piece slips into. As I've said before, no body makes it. You'll need to find a donor car or dream up a new way. The roof rail is also special but can be fabbed out of a straight piece. I found an old one in the garage today minus the bracket that it bolts to in the door.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2011 18:20:08 GMT -5
oldsproject: Anxious to see the pics. It made sense that the plastic guide rides in the vertical channel, but I suspected there is something that centers it in that channel. Today I built new vertical channels from some spare door/vent wing channels which I shortened, fabbed a piece of "C"shaped aluminum for the top piece, then slotted another piece of aluminum channel for the rear slanting piece. I am figuring on using the rubber door glass channel for the quarters, but may run into alignment problems if I'm lacking something to center the window in the track.
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Post by oldsproject on Jul 16, 2011 19:12:11 GMT -5
Here ya go: This first one gives you an idea of how the windo works. Note the seperation at the bottom.  Note the location of the plastic guide. You cant see but its sandwiched between the back of the channel and a preformed lip.  This one is blurry but a little better. Note the location of the felt. It's outside of the preformed lip creating the seal as the channel extends outward.  This is the roof rail piece, notice how it's formed. It goes into the window channel just like it's laying. The top is that small section followed by the long section which goes down the back of the qaurter window and into the door.  This last picture shows where the steel bracket was rivited that connected the bottom section of the roof rail to the inside side of the door panel. Unfortunately I dont have a picture of that bracket.  This piece is bendable but stiff so it holds its form. Hope this helps.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2011 20:20:24 GMT -5
Pictures are great. At last I can see what's "supposed" to be there. Are the rubber/felt seals in the quarters like the ones used for the door glass? I'm referring to the seals from OPG, if you have seen them. They have kind of a groove behind the felt which might serve as a guide for the plastic piece. Also, is the bracket on the bottom of the window that attaches to the controller the only attach point for the window? Thanks.
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Post by oldsproject on Jul 16, 2011 20:56:12 GMT -5
Not following the felt question but it's beer 30! The felt in the vertical section is glued onto the vertcle channel outside of the lip. The horizontal felts and sweeps must be for a spots coupe. The stuff I kept getting from OPG was holiday coupe which is totally wrong. Can't remember where I finally got them? The bottom attachment is the only one aside from the buttons that press into the body along the top and back
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 7:47:06 GMT -5
Don't know if I can explain felt better but will try. The door seals have strips of felt on a one piece rubber seal and I'm thinking the guide would run behind the felt strips on the outer edges of the seal. The door glass seals I bought from OPG worked great, popped into place, and I 3M'ed them in. Since no one makes any seals for the quarter windows (as far as I have found, anyway), I was figuring to use the door glass seals there. I'm not following you about the buttons that press into the body. From what I could see on your pics, your car has different trim around the window than mine does. The lower piece on the "sill" is wider then yours, and my outer "feathers" attach to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 11:24:38 GMT -5
This is the best I can come up with for you, I really suck at taking pics, so if you need others of better quality, just ask, I`ll try again. You`ll notice these are different designs( could be a early/late production thing or, my best guess, the 425 cars got "special HEAVY DUTY treatment" ;D) but both are from 27 series cars, a 33427 and a 33827. If memory serves me correctly, different regulators also, AND the inner quarter skin (where the regulators attach) are a different design also. The 33427 car did not have the bead of stainless on either the horizontal or the vertical pieces where the 33827 does have the bright trim bead. These are the two different style upper channels, 33427 bottom Brackets mount different but are both from same side   Notice also, the push in pops are also in different locations (this isn`t as simple as you would think)  Vertical fuzzies with lower channel for nylon glass giude  Nylon glass guide in place  Here`s the pop fastener, there split to give a snug spring fit  The glass leading edge trim with guide installed in the vertical channel to show it`s movement 
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 11:31:57 GMT -5
One more pic, these are the glass bottom lift plates, they attach with a single clip to the regulator lift arm.  I hope these shed some light on your project. Exactly what parts/pieces are you missing? The upper channel is like an accordion design for shaping
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 12:23:38 GMT -5
To begin with, my car is a 33827, and I can't tell you which channels it had. I am missing everything. I now see what you mean by the nylon guides. The slide area is made into the channel, and the guide doesn't ride on the rubber/felt seal. What yours show is there is a piece of fuzzy on either side of the window, and not made in one piece. I haven't found any restoration place who can tell me what I need, but I can't tell them what I'm supposed to have either. I just figured these guys are in the business, and should know, but they don't. Do the pop fasteners press into the door post....and that is what holds the vertical piece in place, or are there screws also?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 13:19:02 GMT -5
No screws in the door "post", just pops. Upper fuzzy channel gets pops and screws. Picture of the inner quarter skin 27 style, only one shown for 27. The other style i have has a similar skin and regulator for a 11 series ??  Diagram from the" bible" showing the only 27 series listed, yet my 33427 car`s upper channel is pictured above and the lower bracket for the upper channel is bent forward, not to the rear as in the illustration or as the other lighter version pictured above. Ah hell !!! Now I`m getting confused, but you know what I`m saying. Does your regulator and glass channel look like the ones in the illustrations ? 
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 13:32:09 GMT -5
To begin with, my car is a 33827, and I can't tell you which channels it had. I am missing everything. I now see what you mean by the nylon guides. The slide area is made into the channel, and the guide doesn't ride on the rubber/felt seal. What yours show is there is a piece of fuzzy on either side of the window, and not made in one piece. I haven't found any restoration place who can tell me what I need, but I can't tell them what I'm supposed to have either. I just figured these guys are in the business, and should know, but they don't. Do the pop fasteners press into the door post....and that is what holds the vertical piece in place, or are there screws also? The post channel is one piece, there are individual fuzzys one on either side of the outer channel, with the nylon guide running in the lower portion of the channel, lower or inner channel is bare metal
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